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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

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  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  The Rebel

  Thanks for the replys.

  Witness My Fury, your Link gave some very convincing arguments in favour of man landing on the moon in 1969.

  adjusted knowledge your point about the number of people involved to fake the moon theory was once an irrefutable objection for me . However I now believe that the amount of people needed to be involved to fake the moon landing were very few. However the majority of people involved in the project would have needed to have been fooled, and that is not beyond reason.

  Personally I think give it 10 years and if man hasn't gone back to the moon the conspiracy theory looks strong. Give it 50 years and if man hasn't gone back to the moon I think " conspiracy theorists" have an extremely strong case.

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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  The Rebel

  Thanks for the reply fukitol. I am not so sure on your comment " of course they landed on the moon" hence why I started the thread. let's see what develops :-)
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  The Rebel

  
  

  So I was fooled by the witnesses. What can I learn from that? Not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.

  hence my question " Do you believe man landed on the moon?

  Myself I am skeptical, was technology in 1969 so advanced?

  The fact that nobody has gone back.

  The fact that governments have often used " Magician's "to create illusions to fool the enemy in war, means they can also fool the public in peace time.

  That with modern technology and modern telescopes no pictures of the flag, or the shuttle crafts left behind have been presented.

  To say I don't believe man landed on the moon would be wrong. I guess I am 50/ 50 on it, so I would value your opinions, and hopefully it will make an interesting thread.

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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

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  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  The Rebel

  Going back to the O.P my prophecy fails to give a specific date for its fullfilment.

  This was indeed an interesting thread.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  The Rebel

  How about:-

  predicted ca 760 B.C: Amos predicts Israel would be restored as a nation and would never be uprooted again. ( Amos 9: 15)

  Fullfilled in 1948.

  Whist on the subject of prophecy, here is one from " The Rebel" One day there will be a female president of the United States..

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  Soooo, when I tell you I feel it's a cult

  by cognac in

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  why would you proceed to invite me to their meetings?

  wtf?

  how much clearer can i make my stance????

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  The Rebel

  Heaven,

  Thanks for the comments. To a lesser degree I share a similar exsperience.

  I can only imagine my complete surprise if a family member or witness listened to my balanced and reasonable arguments as to why they are worshipping a man made organisation.

  still I think it's wonderful you are there for your family in the sticky moments they need you. Sometimes I think that is all we can do.
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  Why I believe in God. Why I don't believe in God.

  by The Rebel in

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  hi i am delighted to be apart of the community.. having left the witnesses one of my first challenges was my believe in god.

  naturally.. i have concluded that i am alive and conscious.

  now my intuition tells me god exists, but my analytical thinking tells me god does not exist.

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  Just one further point.

  i think the most difficult part about my amazing transformation in beliefs, was having to conclude that so many of those I admire, or looked up to are so adamant that God exists. Of course now I can indulge myself as an outsider, and in most cases I realise I saw an organisation being worshipped and believed in, not God.

  p.s please not so hard on Perry, people are free to believe what they believe, and it wasn't so long ago I would have agreed wholeheartedly with Perrys comment.

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  Why I believe in God. Why I don't believe in God.

  by The Rebel in

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  hi i am delighted to be apart of the community.. having left the witnesses one of my first challenges was my believe in god.

  naturally.. i have concluded that i am alive and conscious.

  now my intuition tells me god exists, but my analytical thinking tells me god does not exist.

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  wow thank you very much for the replys.

  I think in the past I have got very passionate about things with out realising I do not have all the information. Anyway we should all be free to believe what we want.

  i think I have been born at the right time-with the right information to conclude there is no God. That's my realisation for now and I am sticking to it.

  Once again thanks or the insightful posts.

  The Rebel.
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  Why I believe in God. Why I don't believe in God.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi i am delighted to be apart of the community.. having left the witnesses one of my first challenges was my believe in god.

  naturally.. i have concluded that i am alive and conscious.

  now my intuition tells me god exists, but my analytical thinking tells me god does not exist.

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  The Rebel

  Thanks Freeminds and bemused...now I will talk silly. But I believe my beliefs belong to:-

  a) me

  b) my sister

  c) my brother

  d) my son

  e) my wife

  f) my granny

  g) my grandad

  h) MY DOG

  my point being, all these people I love have opinions that belong to them. Statistics tells me intuition may win. Is that not humble critical thinking?
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  Soooo, when I tell you I feel it's a cult

  by cognac in

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  2. friends

  why would you proceed to invite me to their meetings?

  wtf?

  how much clearer can i make my stance????

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  The Rebel

  Well said " Heaven" but did you honestly expect him to believe that?

  a) YES ! YES ! YES !

  b) Oh all right then, NO.

  That is the sad thing " Heaven" we believe we have important " FACTS" and you decided bravely to reveal those " FACTS"

  But it's like telling your dad his a darling, a big wooly bear, " give me a hug"

  You are right he is wrong.....then you win, and he gives you a big hug and says " bless you"

  This is the problem with leaving,and discovering T.T.A.T.T our excitement will think people will see things our way and give us a big hug....in my experience it doesn't happen that way...